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sycoblast
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 24, 2010 1:02 am    Post subject: Hard Drive Problem Please Help! Reply with quote

I think my hard drive blew; it wont spin anymore; I was fidgeting with the power source and I think it shorted.

All I hear is this little screech when there is power connected to it but no spinning or anything; I'm thinking switching the PCB will help since many people are suggesting it

these are the numbers on the board
PCB: 2060-001179-003 REV A
Sticker under IDE: 2061-001179-00 DE

thanks
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 24, 2010 5:04 am    Post subject: Re: Hard Drive Problem Please Help! Reply with quote

If you upload a detailed photo, one of us may be able to help you repair your board. Many times the problem is only a shorted diode, in which case it can simply be removed.

Good luck.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 24, 2010 7:55 am    Post subject: Pictures Reply with quote

http://img69.imageshack.us/i/img00115201004220302.jpg/
http://img163.imageshack.us/i/img00177201004240345.jpg/
http://img217.imageshack.us/i/img00182201004240346.jpg/
http://img263.imageshack.us/i/img00180201004240346.jpg/
http://img714.imageshack.us/i/img00184201004240347.jpg/
http://img260.imageshack.us/i/img00181201004240346.jpg/

appreciate the help a lot guys
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 24, 2010 8:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi,

We have this working PCB, pls contact my hotmail.

Thanks
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 24, 2010 10:59 am    Post subject: Re: Pictures Reply with quote

I don't see any protection diodes, nor do I see any visible damage. :-(

Furthermore, the "little screech" you allude to is a little strange. If it is a mechanical noise from the drive, then this would suggest that the drive is trying to spin up, which would in turn suggest that the board may be OK. Was the drive in an external enclosure? Is the screech coming from the power source?

Otherwise, if you are confident that the PCB is at fault, I would measure the resistances of inductors L9 and L4 near the power connector. They should be 0.

I would then confirm that the Infineon TLE4417 regulator at U6 is receiving and outputting the correct voltages. My research suggests this regulator is compatible with an IRU1239SC by International Rectifier, and with an ST3L01K7R by ST Microelectronics.

Here is a datasheet:

ST Microelectronics ST3L01K7R IC REG TRIPLE 2.6/3.3/8V 7SPAK:
http://www.st.com/stonline/books/pdf/docs/8618.pdf
http://catalog.digikey.com/scripts/partsearch.dll?Detail?name=497-4313-1-ND

I would use a folded business card to isolate each pin from its two neighbours, so that a slip of your probe will not result in catastrophic damage.

The pinout from left to right (for the ST3L01K7R) is:

1 Ground
2 VO2 - 3.3V
3 VCC - 5V
4 Ground
5 VO3 - 8V
6 VDD - 12V
7 VO1 - 2.6V

You can use a screw hole as your ground reference.

This is the area of the circuit I'm concentrating on:
http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/8418/img00182201004240346.jpg
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 24, 2010 2:38 pm    Post subject: thanks for replying Reply with quote

the very faint screech isn't coming from the board from what i can tell sounds like its coming from the middle where the disks are i'm guessing the motor.

it was connected internally but i always had to fidget with the power source so the hard drive boots thre clip was broken that kept it in firmly
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 24, 2010 11:01 pm    Post subject: Re: thanks for replying Reply with quote

I'd say that you have a stiction fault:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stiction#Hard_disk_drives

When you remove power from the drive, the motor becomes a generator that converts its kinetic energy into a voltage that enables the drive to retract its heads to a safe landing zone. ISTM that your drive's heads may have landed on a smooth section of the platters, where they've become stuck.

This thread may interest you (it has a couple of success stories):
http://forum.hddguru.com/samsung-portable-500gb-dead-t14351.html#p99445

Be aware that "percussive maintenance", although it has a high probability of success, also has its risks.

See page 5 of the following article:
http://eprints.soton.ac.uk/7803/5/DiskDriveScience_copy.pdf
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 24, 2010 11:24 pm    Post subject: ok i have isolated the sound Reply with quote

the little screen is in fact coming from the pcb board. I disconnected the board and connected the power to it and the same little screech was still there; the pitch is higher when its connected to the hard drive
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 25, 2010 12:14 am    Post subject: Re: ok i have isolated the sound Reply with quote

[quote="sycoblast"]the little screen is in fact coming from the pcb board. I disconnected the board and connected the power to it and the same little screech was still there; the pitch is higher when its connected to the hard drive[/quote]

Sometimes the coil or transformer in a switchmode regulator may squeal when the regulator is driving into a short circuited load.

The only parts that I can see that fit the bill are in the top LH corner of this photo:
http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/6168/img00177201004240345.jpg

I would also test the diode above the motor control chip in the top RH corner.

If you replace the board, be prepared to transplant the serial EEPROM chip at U12 from patient to donor. On current drives, these chips store unique drive specific calibration data. One of the DR guys will be able to confirm whether this applies to your model.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 26, 2010 7:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It does sound like a PCB problem, not providing enough power for disk/s to spin up. You will have to tranfer ROM chip to a new board in order for PCB to match microcode of your original drive.
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